In this Best of Replay my guest is a long time friend of The Work IN. There are so many frustrating things about health and wellness information. As fitness professionals and coaches we watch for the latest information in science and do our best to curate and explain it to our clients and students. As consumers of that information, it can be so confusing to try to understand what the latest science actually means for our day to day lives, and for a topic as complex as chronic pain, that becomes even more challenging. On the one hand, it's great to get new science, new understanding about the body and the nervous system so we can make the best choices in our care. On the other hand, what does that mean for everything that we knew before? does it all go out the window? How do we how do we integrate that new understanding of pain care science in meaningful ways, and share it when it comes to posture, alignment and movement therapy? My friend Colleen Jorgensen reached out to me a few weeks ago with this question as a topic for the podcast. And I thought it was a really great idea. I love bringing clarity to topics like this and I always learned so much from Colleen. She's been on the podcast before. We've talked about chronic pain, the nervous system pain care where language and the importance of professional communication skills. She's an osteopath, the yoga Pilates instructor and a teacher trainer was specialties in pain care where language among many other skills and she is the one I trust to help translate some of this new information. I am thrilled to have Colleen back on the podcast to talk more about this topic. And I think in the course of the conversation, we can find new ways to evaluate other areas of health and wellness science as well. So let's start our work. In with Colleen Jorgensen. Welcome back Colleen.