Growing Out of the Box with Career Coach and Therapist Liz Pessaran
Growing our of your box
Transcript
Ericka Thomas 0:00
Welcome back to the work in your guide, off the battlefield of stress, tension and trauma through new and different perspectives on health and wellness. I'm your host Ericka Thomas and I am so excited to introduce you to my guest today. Her name is Liz Pessaran, and we had a fantastic conversation about the overlap between career coaching and therapy. So let me tell you first, a little bit about Liz.
So, Liz is a licensed therapist, life coach, and a speaker who helps people around the world let go of what they should do, and embrace what they feel connected to ultimately thriving in their purpose. She helps folks walk away from their unfulfilled jobs and lifestyles and step into their dream career and cultivate the life they've always desired. With nearly a decade of counseling experience. Liz utilizes her unique skill set to guide women to tap into their deep soul, so they can shatter the box of limited belief and embrace their inner magic.
So if you are someone who is standing at a point in their life where they're looking at a transition where maybe you're feeling like there's something that you really want to do that you want to step out and try but you're not sure how to make that happen, or if it's even possible for you. This is definitely the episode for you. You are not going to want to miss this. So we talk about the boxes that we keep ourselves locked in, from past patterns and trauma and mindset issues, all of those things that can hold us back. This isn't just an episode for people who want to start their own business, this could be applied across the board for anything that you want to do in your life. Let's get started on our work in today with Liz Pessaran.
Ericka Thomas 2:17
Alright. Welcome, Liz to the work in
Liz Pessaran 2:21
Hi, thank you.
Ericka Thomas 2:26
Tell us what you are all about and how you got to this very interesting crossroads with career overlapping with therapy.
Liz Pessaran 2:37
Oh, yeah, I'll try and keep it concise. So yeah, y'all know I'm Liz and I am a licensed therapist as well as a life coach and I really help people uncover their purpose. Leave the things that are not serving them. Often their careers and stepping into their power and stepping into their magic so they can ultimately live a life that they've always dreamed of and desired.
And there's a long history on how I got here but I'm no one special. I was the girl that kind of did everything everybody told her to. And wasn't a superstar in any one specific subject but I knew I cared about people and I wanted to help. And so I studied mental health and psychology and I just kind of kept doing that until I landed in community mental health after graduating and whoa was I in for a wake up call for how out of balance that really is, and unaligned that was for me. So, in that process, I kind of woke up one day. Honestly I can even remember got started a new job and was handed a computer and said just get to work. And I was in this little closet office, and it hit me. Holy cow, I've spent, 1000s and 1000s of dollars, years of education and this is not what I thought I would be, or what I wanted.
So it was a real turning point, and totally caused me to stop and rethink and recalibrate everything. And through that process of me, redesigning my life and discovering my own purpose my own magic, I stumbled upon this combination of therapy and life coaching and kind of married the two, and now I'm in a place of my own business and helping others go through that really difficult process but not having to do it alone. And so yeah, that's kind of a short summary.
Ericka Thomas 4:44
Great, I think, yeah, I think your story is not unusual. What I'm curious about there is what you think it is that makes us go into these fields that maybe are not quite aligned with who we really are, what we really want to get out of our life in the first place. Where do you think that comes from?
Liz Pessaran 5:13
Such a beautiful question. And we talked about this when we chatted before. Oh my gosh, I think what it really comes down to is the way we've been raised. And it starts so early on. So I explained to my clients that when you're a child you're like this sponge and you're this empty container, and your brain has to compartmentalize things to process what's happening in the world. So, when you learn something new you create a box in your mind and you put things in that box and you categorize it and label it so it's easy to find and retrieve in your memory. Well when we create all these boxes, they're being created by two things, our own inner experience you know, if we like, see a frog in the ground for the first time like oh that thing jumps and we put that somewhere. By ourselves we experienced that no one externally did that to us or for us. But then the other one is we experience things externally where somebody teaches us the way it needs to be done. And these things are often belief systems. These are also unspoken structures in society, unspoken rules. Which way you walk on the sidewalk and how you look both ways. If you're taught those simple things, and you categorize them in your brain. And over the years these just become beliefs you don't have another way of thinking about it.
So a lot of times when I work with my clients you know they come to me they're pretty far into their careers, they're rediscovering themselves so they know they're not in the right place but they had no idea how they got there. And I usually say you were told to go this way, and you had no other concept of how to do it differently. You knew it maybe didn't feel right. But all the boxes you created in your mind based on society's rules and expectations and what your parents taught you, and school, all those things kind of told you not to trust yourself and to instead do it this way. So most people do, they go to college or they, you know, follow the family path, and then it isn't until later when they start questioning the boxes and patterns and beliefs, and they're really unhappy that they start thinking differently. So hopefully that makes sense.
Ericka Thomas 7:33
Yeah, it kind of gives you a new perspective on that saying, thinking outside the box, right?[Yes, yes.] Right. So how do you help people start that process of finding out really what the truth of their thoughts are because that's kind of what I hear you saying, you know. We have these thoughts but just because we think something doesn't make it true, necessarily. And so I think that can be really challenging to start to question where those thoughts are coming from. So how do you begin that process with someone?
Liz Pessaran 8:15
That is so true, it is very difficult. And honestly, it's unpacking the closet, of, of knowing what we already think. So, I usually, this is where I bring therapy kind of into my coaching process. We kind of look backwards, we talk about what our childhood was like. Tell me the basic things that you remember your parents always harping on or these models you grew up with and tell me what was your little environment you had. And that's going to give us a greater picture of these belief systems we've created, and then we actually write them out.
We actually write out these things, and none of us normally do this. So it seems silly to do but then all of a sudden when you do it, you recognize, like holy cow, I didn't realize I actually had these patterns and these belief systems. They're so deep in my subconscious and they're not something I think about every day but they are impacting and driving my behavior. And so I really start slow in that process. And then we start teaching the difference between self trust and self betrayal, self trust is the foundation and root of, ultimately, living your life on purpose and in purpose, and most people have done the opposite. So, most people don't know how to trust themselves. Most people have betrayed themselves, and not listen to their gut, not listen to their intuition. And so it's very confusing for the mind and body. And we have to reteach that. So we go through that process as well.
Ericka Thomas 9:59
That is really insightful, this idea of self, betrayal, and it reminds me of The Four Agreements, So when I read that book. The first agreement. I think the first one is, Be impeccable with your word and the explanation of that. When you embody that idea of letting yourself come back into a state of trust with what it is that you tell yourself you're going to do. Because it never occurred to me that every time I, in my head, say I'm going to do something, and then don't follow through with it that is just a little micro betrayal of what I've, a gift that I could have given myself, you know, this is what I want to do. And then I just let it go because it's not that important. I haven't said it out loud but even the thoughts that you say in your head can have an impact. And those little micro betrayals over a lifetime, build up and build up and lead to exactly what you're talking about this lack of self trust where you can't depend on... if you can't depend on yourself, how can you depend on anyone else.
Liz Pessaran 11:26
And that can leave you know just from a mental health standpoint, codependence lead to you can't rely on yourself. You have to find it externally and you can't make decisions for yourself you have to have somebody else make these decisions for you, but you could be absolutely miserable because this person that's making decisions for you, doesn't actually know what you want or desire. And I could Yeah, I could go on a whole tangent on this subject, but
Ericka Thomas 11:51
I know exactly what you're talking about here in terms of starting a new purpose and new kinds of things that can really be paralyzing. Right. If you think you have to have somebody else to move forward to reaffirm either what you're doing, or, or to help you get to where you need to go or for a lot of people in my business, where we kind of get stuck into that imposter syndrome. Where we feel like we don't have enough letters after our name, or we don't have enough education or we're not this specific kind of thing so we can't really talk about that. That is really paralyzing for someone especially if you’re feeling called into a different, maybe something completely different than what they studied or what career they have. They want to do a complete flip. It can be really, really tough to break out of that.
Liz Pessaran 12:55
Yeah, absolutely. And that's, as you say that I went through that too and I still have imposter syndrome, at times, it is normal. Especially if you're doing the work of growth, you're going to be in the room with bigger folks, that's what growth is, stepping higher stepping above, finding yourself in being that I'd like to say like the least knowledgeable in a huge room. That's where you want to be, that's where actually, you belong. You don't want to be the smartest head in a room. That was something that was a belief that I grew up with, and I did have to challenge that. But, I do really appreciate that for growth aspect but it does cause imposter syndrome.
On the, on the flip side though, I would also like to say that, how is that taught to you that you need letters after your name. Why is that important? Where did that belief come from, and who taught you that?
So, because that again, that was a box that we had put in our head right. And so those are the little comments that clients tell me in our sessions that we break down, because we don't even realize it is in the language we speak, and it's in the thoughts that we have. And I love that you said, you know, how you speak to yourself in your mind has so much power and weight. And I remember having a client who said, Oh, I have to pay in full right now or I just won't commit. I said, interesting. What makes you believe that you won't commit? Oh well I just don't you know this kind of stuff I don't, I won't show up. You know, and she had this belief, like, I can't trust myself to follow through on these scheduled appointments, because I don't value myself in my own experience enough. And when we broke that down. That Whoa, I don't actually care about myself enough to commit to me, and I've never done it in the past, I don't have that self trust. So she went to all of her appointments. Incredible. Like with a lot of accountability and that's also with the support that is needed. Anyhow, that is
Ericka Thomas 15:05
That’s an interesting thing that you bring up because subtly, under those thought patterns there's also a lot of my money mindset issues, too. Right, like if we can put down money on something, then it must be important, right, there's worth there. If we have invested actual dollars, then maybe it's okay to invest our time, or it's worth it. Right then, then we have to commit. So, yeah, I find, I find it fascinating. Actually, for my own personal journey through, you know, starting my own business and entrepreneurship and kind of building a body of work, how much of that comes up in ways that I did not have any idea that I was this messed up in my head! [exactly right] We are not alone. there's nothing new under the sun, I believe, but yeah so it's interesting that that overlap is really interesting. So, what would you say... on this podcast we talk a lot about the nervous system response and overall stress and of course, trauma comes into that. And I know that when you start excavating some of those past belief systems, and thought patterns and things we can get into some dangerous territory. So how would you say that your, your programs and your work with your clients, uses a trauma informed therapy to kind of help guide people? Because you know that that can be really really sticky for people, especially when they're stuck in this idea of trying to get external things for validation of what they're doing, right. So, so what would you say about that? I know that when we're when we work with people we work with trauma. So, what kinds of things come up for your clients.
Liz Pessaran 17:32
Well 1,000,001 things come up for my clients. But I think this is kind of a couple of layers, um, you know, When I meet somebody and I chat with them, I'm really seeing where they're at in their journey of evolution and self acceptance and their trauma healing work. If I'm seeing somebody that, and I believe that we're all little Wounded Warriors, all of us have experienced wounds, all of us are carrying some, some of them bandaged, some had been kind of healed with the scar, and then some are really wide and gaping.
And when I can kind of assess and see where are you at in that process. It can determine how I work with you and where I work with you and in what capacity. If somebody is really in the beginning of their journey, they haven't done a ton of that excavation, or I'm noticing that maybe they have in the past but it's still really blocking them, it's limiting them, they're really stuck, they can't make that emotional movement. That's therapy because it needs to go slow. That's true trauma informed care is a slow process.
Something that I have heard from previous clients is they've met with a therapist or met with some kind of mental health professional, and they just, you know, dove so far in the deep end, emotionally and it was completely flooding that should have never happened. True trauma informed care is slow, it's safe, it's stable. It will be uncomfortable, but it is a gradual progression with a highly trained, skilled professional who is going to hold you and support you and keep you safe in the work,
Ericka Thomas 19:20
right, we don't want to. We don't want people to come in and and re traumatize themselves
Liz Pessaran 19:24
Exactly that that happens. That, unfortunately, that does happen. So you know I really assess like is it therapy you need, or are we, and we just need to do therapy because I can't give you a timeline on that. Whereas coaching maybe we have a little bit more movement, we have, you know, we've done a little bit of the deeper work, we know we're ready to make future change, because that's the difference. Therapy, we're really progressing and cleaning that like the past, and we're trying to function in the present, where coaching is we're trying to use the past knowledge to help us jolt forward and change our future. So there's a difference there.
And so with coaching, if I have a client that's coming in and it's like yeah I do want to rethink some of these patterns, but I don't necessarily think that I need to do deep therapeutic work I just need to like kind of process through some of the cobwebs. Then that is an okay Greenlight we can do that work in three to six months. And that process is. Again we go slow. I always make sure that my client understands, you know, what triggers may occur.
My first session is usually my most intense one so I make sure there's plenty of room before and after, and more importantly it's just creating that space that whoever is in my space knows that they're protected, knows that they are going to be loved and cared for and seen, and that we are going to challenge these thoughts and create a structured plan. So they not only work through it, through dialogue, but also through practical proces. So whether that's homework or meditations, or different avenues of healing. I definitely love to incorporate that. So there's a lot I could answer in this one. I hope that kind of makes sense.
Ericka Thomas 21:14
Yeah you said something, you said something in that but I hope that you can explain for people and you talked about feeling flooded. And I'm not sure people understand what that term means that's something that comes up in, in, in trauma work, and it's not something that we're going for, but could you explain what you mean by flooding or being flooded, and what that might look like for someone, just so people can know and be aware of that.
Liz Pessaran 21:51
Yes, thank you, I sometimes get so in my own world. I didn't think about that. Flooding is basically the concept of immense overwhelm, and it's where we are being retriggered and re traumatized in a moment. And our response is physiological most of the time. We either freeze and paralyze. We can flee and completely protect so we have to get out of the room, we have to run away. You know we can have panic attacks, we can have increased heart rate, sweating, physical effects, our throat tightens up those kinds of things. Or we can just shut down, where we don't, we might not have the physical response per se but we can't move forward. We just kind of shut down, go inward, can't really participate. So people have various physiological reactions, but it's when it's all too much. We've been retriggered, we're overwhelmed and imagine, you know, a flood of water coming at you, It's just Whoa, and it paralyzes us from making a proper decision that's going to help us move forward.
Ericka Thomas 23:11
Is that something. Yeah, that's a great explanation, thank you for that. Is that something that always looks, is that something that you can always know from the outside looking at someone that hey, they're, they're flooded, they're, they're flooding right now.
Liz Pessaran 23:29
Um, I mean I've been in this work for a very long time so I would like to think that I can personally kind of see things a little bit better. But, um, but, in general terms know people can just kind of go blank, and you're talking to a kind of what looks like a person that's standing in front of you, but they might not be hearing anything you're saying is, once that trigger has occurred once the flood has happened, it just imagine you know water sound like you can't really hear people and you just, you're in your own inner world. And I always discuss like the outer world which is anybody outside of your body and your inner world is what's happening within your body. And so when we go into our inner world, everything else kind of shuts down, and we can't hear, we don't know what they're saying, we don't know what they're doing, but maybe we look fine because we're just sitting in a chair. So the outer world sees us as participating. But our inner world is definitely not participating. So, yeah. So,
Ericka Thomas 24:31
How is that different from dissociation, or is it the same thing, like being flooded and being dissociated as a part of a freeze response is that the same?
Liz Pessaran 24:44
Well, in the moment I think it can be similar. I'm very cautious to use dissociation one because I think it's just a pop culture term and it shouldn't be. Dissociation is where you really are not present and you're, you might not be even in your inner world, you're in a different world entirely. Whereas, flooding, it's just this moment that happens. That very much so you're you know what's going on with your body. It's very uncomfortable. And you're kind of processing, and it can feel like this one second is 10 hours, but it happens or it can happen really fast and you can like come back to really quick. But as far as like that, in that moment those quick seconds, you aren't associating with your external world. You are kind of disassociating from that. I'm just very cautious to use that word because true dissociation is so different and more extreme.
Ericka Thomas 25:44
Yeah, yeah that makes sense. So I love what you brought up earlier about how slow the process should be. And would you apply that same pace to clients who are doing kind of a little bit of both coaching, and a little bit of therapy, and how do you kind of wrap your head around a slower pace of business process, you know when you're working through all of these other. I don't want to say issues but, you know, they are that we all have issues right so when you're working through those things that, at one pace but you're looking for a pace of business that maybe doesn't match.
Liz Pessaran 26:32
Right. Excuse me. Um, so, again, I kind of see, you know, each person and customize it to them, but as far as, you know, going slow. I do feel like we are able to build up the skills and tools to combat, maybe those triggers and ease our overwhelm, ease that trauma response.
So, if I can teach and support and guide a client to learning those skill sets early on in the process, as they go through, maybe my next level of work which is you know, working with business owners in a very mindful, soulful way in creating a business, we will have already kind of established some founding structures on how to healthily process things that come up. So that you’re set back, and you are totally frozen, and that you know how to go, oh, this came up let's, like, let's take a minute and process it work through it, but it's not paralyzing me.
And I think that is something that is important to learn. Every single business is going to have hiccups, every single business is different from the next. There's lots of similarities, but it's so messy. And I know when I was going through this process of building my business, there was no one size fits all. And that's where, you know,
I think it is so crucial that if you are wanting to take your hobby and make it into a business and treat it truly like a business, you are going to want to have help. And to make it something where you feel seen and heard and safe and supported, hire a high quality coach that can support you through that. So that when you have those moments of overwhelm or you have those questioning doubts you have imposter syndrome, You know how to be trauma informed for yourself to say hey this is too much. Lean on the supports that you found and you created and you invested in. It can really help ease that process of a business growth and being realistic, you know.
Knowing that, hey, you might have a timeline of a year. How can I set up other structures in my life so that if that timeline needs to get extended, it will be okay. I think one of the biggest stressors people add to themselves, is they give them too short of a timeline to be at a certain monetary value. So, you know, if they say Liz I want to I want to build a holistic health business. I say fantastic. When do you expect to do this ? I want to leave my job in three months. I say, okay would you have a year's worth of savings set aside so you don't have to stress? You don't have to add that already on top of what's already going to naturally trigger and occur and happen. No, they say no, then I say okay let's slow down. Let's maybe extend it and it's hard you know you want to dive into the deep end.
And I've been the girl who's gone in the deep end many times, but I think those little things where you find support you're realistic in your timeline, you don't press yourself with money. And then you have the tools, taught to you on how to self, self strategy and self cope, are going to really help ease that process and slow it down and help you accomplish it, honestly, faster in the long run.
Ericka Thomas 30:06
Right. Do you find that when someone has really reached or figured out what their purpose is their true desire at the deepest level and they start to work in alignment with that purpose. Do you find that some of those expectations, and the things that, you know, hold a lot of people back the “how” of doing the business that those things start to fall in line for them. And there's some ease in that forward progress?
Liz Pessaran 30:41
100% I do. I do believe in energy work as well, so I am somebody that believes that if you are in true alignment with your purpose, what you feel most called to do on this earth, that it will be with ease, because your whole body will physically, neurologically, spiritually feel really good about it. You aren't going to be constantly butting up against resistance, whether it's in your thoughts and your beliefs in your time and you're not going to have that inner or outer battle, you're going to actually be really confident, and of course we have natural doubts but you're going to believe in it. And when we have inner belief and self trust that yes this is exactly where I meant to be, then it's going to flow so much easier, and you're not going to be so worried about all the little tiny microcosms of details, because you know, however it will happen, it will happen. And you have that belief. So I do believe that absolutely.
Ericka Thomas 31:46
Yeah, that is, that's beautiful. I love the way you phrase that. So here's a conundrum for you, I think, I think some people find themselves really close to their purpose, but not exactly on that track it's like, it's like parallel lines, like, like a train track where one one track is where you should be or want to be and the next and the track next to it is where you are, and how do...What it feels to me when I talk to clients when I talk to friends who are entrepreneurs. That's the closer you are to your purpose, sometimes the harder it is to let go of what you're exactly doing and make that jump, make that shift over to the thing because you put all this work into this one thing. And so how do you counsel people on that, about where you're kind of going in the right direction, but you're not quite on that line yet. And, about letting go of this. All of this work that you've put in here, and where you want to go here.
Liz Pessaran 33:04
Yeah, well that was my story. I absolutely did that. I was on a track and it was something that I thought,you know, I invested so much money and in so much time and everyone looked at me like, you know, and I was getting the recognition I wanted. I had this feedback loop that was in some ways really working. But I knew I was close but I was not there. And that, knowing that I had to release that expectation, release that feedback loop that I was enjoying, release the benefits of societal, you know, constraints, all that stuff. It's very, very difficult.
I would say the first thing to do is to really sit and and this is where I have clients to lots of journaling, lots of process work around. You know what you really want deep inside of us, we all really know what we are called to do. but we've just covered it with a wet blanket so many times we have no idea where it's at, within us. So you know you're close, but you're not right there. Well, what is it about your job you do, like, what are the things that you are getting that you're satisfied. If we really start talking about those positive things and making sure those stay, How do we keep those things and transfer them over.
So I get way better positive feedback in the business I currently have, because I'm in alignment with it. And when I think about those negative things that were holding me back. I really quickly realized like, I had to learn what trust and faith was within myself, and within the world, to be able to release that so I could truly step into my power. But but that process, there's a point where it kind of comes down to blind faith. It really, if you have the right people to support you, you have a community to hold you and lift you up. There is a leap, you have to jump over the river, and there's nothing any one person can do to coax you into it. You have to do it. So, full heartedly on your own with that belief in your heart, you can, and we can work through and process and break things down so that you can see with pure clarity what you're leaving and what you can gain, but you still have to take that leap.
Ericka Thomas 35:38
And really, yeah, yeah. And really we're not, you don't really leave behind the things that got you here. So I think that maybe it is a false belief that people think they have to, you know, give up what they did before or that nothing that they did before plays a role in what you will be doing. Because it's all part of who you are, it's all interconnected yeah it all in your connect your, your experience matters to you know who you are becoming. And so it's not wasted effort. It's not wasted investment, you're not losing any of those, those experiences that got you where you are now you're just taking them and turning them into something else.
Liz Pessaran 36:35
Yes, exactly. And you know and I think most people look at, oh I made a mistake like I should not have done this, and I don't believe that. I think it's all lessons, and it becomes your story and how awesome is it that you have this story and this knowledge that can help drive others and help teach you know, others. Whether whatever you're doing. For myself, you know, I can now speak to the person who's done all the graduate work. Spent the 1000s of dollars and doesn't believe that they can switch their careers, you can absolutely switch your career and take all this powerful knowledge into your new one. At any time, and it just boosts your story, it boosts your experience, nothing is ever wasted, it adds value to you and others.
Ericka Thomas 37:22
That's huge, about making mistakes, things that come right out of your childhood right, people are so afraid to do something wrong, like, how, what happens if I make a website that is horrendous. Well, nothing happens like the world doesn't end. You just do it again or you fix it or you hire somebody who does it and now you know where your strengths lie, right? You don't learn anything from never making a mistake, you only learn from making a mistake. And so, I love that that's part of your, your, your counseling, your coaching, and I think it's a beautiful thing about what you're offering, can you tell us a little bit, you have a new program that you're putting together. Can you share with us a little bit about that?
Liz Pessaran 38:17
Yes, so there's a lot of ways to work with me and one big way is finding your purpose.You know I have a great program around finding your purpose and uncovering that. I've worked one on one with clients on doing that, but then once you find your purpose once you kind of, you know like yeah I want to take this leap i i want to be a healer, I want to open my own business, then you have to do it right and that process is a little daunting and a little scary.
And so that's where my next program is, it's actually going to be called Ditch your day job, and dive into your business. [I love that.] And so many people are ready to ditch their day job, but they don't quite know all the details and have the confidence yet to dive into their business. So that's where I come in. And I in a very therapeutic and loving and also trauma informed way help people in a six month process start their business, learn all the things you need to know on how to leave your current job or whatever is bring in that income for you, and step wholeheartedly into your dreams.
So I'm so excited about it.
Liz Pessaran 0:03
I've already helped so many women really do this work, and it's amazing when you see people step into their magic really live their life with purpose have the connection to their purpose, it, the light that shines within them Basques upon so many, and serves such a huge community, and it's so beautiful to what witness, so I'm excited for this, and that's going to actually be kind of a continual program but it's going to be a six month process so I'm so excited about it.
Ericka Thomas 0:37
Now is that something that people need to be local with you, to be able to participate in.
Liz Pessaran 0:43
Oh, good question. No, this is going to be all virtual and I'm going to have guest experts come in on different subjects so we're going to talk about how you market, we're going to talk about how to you in a soulful way right no one wants to be a sleazy salesperson. We're going to talk about how you build a brand and a website and copy. I didn't know any of that stuff. My gifts are to communicate and hold beautiful space and serve others that pretty websites are not my thing. You know, how do you find somebody and who you hire and how do you take your business professional from the get go. And, and feel really, excuse me, feel really aligned with the process. So, yes you can be anywhere in the world, and it's going to, it's going to be supported with group calls and all kinds of things with professionals so yeah, I'm excited.
Ericka Thomas 1:37
That sounds amazing Liz.So where can people find you? Where should we send them today to learn more about the programs that you offer and possibly work with you.
Liz Pessaran 1:50
Yeah, so you can find me at LizPessaran.com And you can also find me on Instagram, @lizPessaran I’m also on Facebook @ LizPessaranlifecoaching.
Ericka Thomas 2:00
Beautiful. Thank you again Liz for talking to me today, I loved everything about what we talked about and I may be signing up for your program. So, that's all. Yeah, I
Liz Pessaran 2:10
love that please join it's going to be magical. I'm here, I'm so here for it.
Ericka Thomas 2:15
Thank you again. Thank you so much for listening today. I hope you're feeling as inspired as I am. And if you like what you heard, and you want to learn a little bit more, head over to elementalkinetics.com, where you'll find all the links from today's episode in the show notes, along with all kinds of free resources to help you stop working out and start working in. Thanks everybody and I'll see you next time.
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I’m Ericka
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